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    Judge backs Halifax in Chip and PIN clone case


    Halifax, the UK retail bank, has scored a victory in a closely-watched 'phantom withdrawal' case that put the security of Chip and PIN on trial.
    Halifax customer Alain Job sued the bank after he was held liable for making eight disputed cash machine withdrawals from his account. Job was left £2,100 out of pocket from the series of withdrawals in February 2006 and launched a lawsuit after failing to obtain a refund from the bank, or through arbitration.


    Cases over "phantom withdrawals", where money is withdrawn from bank ATMs without the card holder's permission and where card details have not being divulged to third parties, are commonplace, even in the UK.

    Fraudulent withdrawal of money in UK accounts using cash machines outside the UK are a growing problem. These default to reading details from easy to forge magnetic stripes, which Chip and PIN cards still contain.
    But Chip and PIN was supposed to stop the use of cloned cards, at least in UK ATMs. Chip and PIN is the UK's iteration of the global EMV standard for chip-based payment cards and acceptance devices, including point of sale terminals and ATMs.
    Job's case involved disputed withdrawals involving a Chip and PIN card and UK's cash machines that would have read it. Because of this, the case is the first to test UK bank's assurances over the security and integrity of Chip and PIN in court.
    At a one-day hearing in April at Nottingham County Court, Job and his legal team argued his ATM card might have been cloned and used to withdraw funds without any negligence on his part. Halifax offered evidence from computer printouts of log files to support its argument that Job's real card (and associated microchip) was used to authorise the disputed transactions.
    A judge found in favour of Halifax and dismissed the lawsuit in a ruling issued on Thursday, Finextra reports.
    Job's barrister, Stephen Mason, told IDG that Halifax had junked evidence that might have ascertained if a cloned card was used. The original ATM card and the Authorisation Request Cryptogram were destroyed by Halifax.
    Job, who faces legal bills of up to £50,000, is considering an appeal.
    Read the story at Judge backs Halifax in Chip and PIN clone case • The Register
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    I'm not real familiar with the UK legal system, but I am fairly certain that ruling would not fly here in the US.
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    I personally hate chip and pin, I think it's the worst idea ever. I was sure that the only reason banks were keen to push this through was so that they could pass off responsibility.

    While it's easy enough to suggest that someone has copied your signature without your knowledge, the bank will say that you gave them access to your pin number. If they looked over your shoulder to get it then that's your fault, if you told them it's your fault, and if you wrote it down then its your fault.

    As far as I can see it would be up to you to proove that your pin was stolen somehow. Now the same pin is used everywhere it's much easier for people to see it.

    Banks always win. With so few banks around now it's getting pretty scary! Last time I disputed something to HSBC I ended up giving a free english lesson to someone half way round the world! Contacting banks is a nightmare. Although my personal favorite bank is the Bank of China (UK). You can actually phone the branch, plus they speak better English than HSBC!!

    Sorry, I enjoy a good rant... especially when banks are involved!

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